Friday, July 4, 2008

Oregon Man Gives Birth To Baby Girl

34 year old Thomas Beatie is the proud father of a baby girl. Nothing unusual about that except Thomas is the one who carried the pregnancy. He gave birth in a hospital in Oregon USA. Thomas said in a past interview that it felt incredible to be a pregnant man.

So is Thomas a man or a confused woman? Or a man in a woman’s body? Or a bearded woman? Or a marvel of medical Frankenstein? Is he the proud father or proud mother? He’s is a transgender. He was born female (Tracy Lagondino) but underwent a gender switch surgery and testosterone therapy to become Thomas Beatie who is now legally recognized as male. He decided to keep the female reproductive organs even as the breasts were surgically removed. You can see the breast removal scars from the picture.

Bettie says wanting a biological child is neither a male nor a female desire but a human one. Nancy, his wife of 10 years was unable to conceive because of a hysterectomy she had had after an illness. And who wants a surrogate when he’s perfectly capable of carrying his own child? Thomas and Nancy agreed that he was the one to carry the baby. He stopped taking his twice a week testosterone injections and used a sperm donor to get pregnant using a home insemination kit. No fertility clinic could touch him. According to the Times Online, this is not the first time Thomas has attempted insemination. His first attempt resulted in a life threatening ectopic pregnancy that had to be surgically aborted. He thus lost all three embryos. This time round the couple is lucky though.

I try not to judge anyone. I really have no problem with what people do behind closed doors. Whatever one is, transgender, gay, lesbian, bisexual I just have no problem. It is when kids begin to say ‘my dad is my mom’ that I worry. Or when wives begin to say ‘my husband is the mother of my baby’. That is weird science if you ask me. But Thomas says their family will be a normal one. He’ll be the baby’s father and Nancy will be the mother – like any other happy family.

There’s concern that the unfortunate child is psychologically screwed from age zero and might grow up to have severe emotional problems. But who is to say? There are children being raised by drug addict mums and dads out there and of course there are lots of other misbehaving parents. The question is who should throw the first stone? The couple has their fans who include Nancy’s older daughters who believe their parents are role models. Thomas is not the first transgender to give birth. There’s another story here.

Big words we’re hearing here. Home insemination kit. So now you can get pregnant at home. Yeah of course you can but on your own? Without a guy?

See also: KBC, KTN and NTV Plodding Along

21 Comments:

KenyaLuv said...

That's disgusting

HLumiti said...

Absolute evil. Reminds me of some lines in the Bible that '...some beings are created for destruction..' Judgment day or not, this (wo)man is a ripe candidate.

BP ONE said...

unbelievable,ati… “…Thomas Beastie who is now legally recognized as male. He decided to keep the female reproductive organs even as the breasts were surgically removed”.
I think the only way to ascertain the gender of a new born baby is observing it’s reproductive organs, if the child has a female private parts then it is a female if not a male, we don’t need a rocket scientist to tell us that, so what makes this case different. “Thomas Beastie” has a female productive organ, therefore, thou beard, she is the mother of the child while the father is the donor of the sperm…Do we really need proof for that? Ok,taking the DNA test of the Baby girl of Thomas Beastie will say a lot , I sure the Y and X chromosomes won’t lie…

Mcheku said...

I dont know what to say. I agree with you though, the child is absolutely screwed! His dad is his mum!

By the way I dont understand this transgender people! What is the point of undergoing a sex change then wanting to carry a baby again? It doesn't make sense at all to me! You are either a man or a woman, period.

Disgusting! Hata mimi leo nimesema.

By the way Shiko, hii link ya KBC is not working.

Kirima said...

Actually the chromosomes are the ones that defermine the gender of the baby it is the testeterone produced (Y chromosome dictated) that makes the embryo develop male organs, if there is no testeterone then the baby will be born with female organs, the default state for all embryos is female (thats why men have nipples)

BP ONE said...

Thanks kirima. What I was driving at ,is that, however loud Thomas claims to be the "father" of the child the Y & X chromosomes will prove thomas wrong. As far as the X & Y chromosomes are concerned Thomas is the mother.
“A man's paternal ancestry can be traced using the DNA on his Y chromosome (Y-DNA) through Y-STR Testing. This is useful because the Y chromosome, like many European surnames, passes from father to son, and can be used to help study surnames. Women who wish to determine their paternal ancestry can ask their father, brother, paternal uncle, paternal grandfather, or a cousin who shares the same paternal lineage to take a test for them.” See link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genealogical_DNA_test.
It is also said “If you're male, the last pair of chromosomes is called XY, and they're not a matched pair. The X chromosome, contributed by the mother, matches up with a much smaller Y chromosome contributed by the father.” See link http://www.in-gender.com/xyu/Conception/Conception2.aspx

Wanjiku Unlimited said...

Kenyaluv, HLumiti the world is moving way too fast!

Mcheku thanks for the alert on the link. It should be working now I've fixed it. Transgenders usually feel trapped in the wrong body that's why they change. Plus maybe they're also a bit fickle. Like Thomas childhood was not the best. His mother committed suicide when he was just 12 and his father never took care of him.

Kirima some new piece of info there for me. I didn't know why men have nipples! Never thought of it.

BP it's true Thomas is the biological mother of the kid. But when it comes to bringing her up he'll be the father figure and Nancy the mother figure. Cant imagine that household. As for the Chromosomes, let me go through the links and refresh my memory about that science.

Wanjiku Unlimited said...

KenyaLuv your link is not going through to your blog. I wanted to pay you a visit.

Taabu said...

Ciku,
No words for what this planet is coming to. All the pleasures God created are being EVILY reversed, pepo mbaya washindwe. God was not an artists to decorate our boadies with organs for vestigial purposes. That is why we refer to baba yesu as IN HIS INFINITY WISDOM. What would somebody want to negate that? I have no idea my dear.

Maua said...

I thought of 'men behaving badly', but I think it's 'women being selfish'. You wanna be a man but won't give up 'the female productive organs'.

The thigs that God watches from upstairs!!!!!!!!

Wanjiku Unlimited said...

Crazy Maua. That one can choose to change into a man and keep some woman parts intact! And by the way Beatie says he's grown some male parts and they can have intercourse!
The whole thing is just weird.

BP ONE said...

Shiko...Ati "he's grown some male parts" kwani, are the testosterone injections so powerful?

Transgender people,like Thomas, really surprise me. What is wrong with being a woman? Isn’t a woman, a Mother? a daughter , a sister, a wife, a grandma?…what is wrong with that ? I think this type of people require comprehensive psychotherapy not plastic surgery that will transform their bodies, believe me the problem is their soul that needs healing.

Btw, am told “the English word "woman", means she-man, or female man and is a contraction from the Anglo-Saxon "wombman", which means "the man with a womb” Thomas should be rest assured that he is a man with a womb and a proud mother, no need to be "the father figure" after all, many successful men and women were brought up by single mothers.
Shiko..Nice logo for Wanjiku unlimited.

Wanjiku Unlimited said...

The palm trees? Thanks.

Proud Kikuyu Woman said...

I too, had been marveled by the wonders of this world when I heard about the pregnant man. Till I understood it was a woman who chose to identify as a man by having male hormones, flattened boobs and all.Well, she got her days in the press, and will, for a long time to come.

Taabu said...

Ciku,
Ms/r Beatie is in GOOD company as it appears wonders never cease. Now a 70-year old Indian has given birth to twins (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7491782.stm). Leaves me wondering whether these certified MONGOLOIDS will servive. At 70 you are living on bonus and then cucu still wants us to imagine that bed science is OK. No wonder the flabby tummy and pelvic bone gave way. What a world we live in?

Wanjiku Unlimited said...

Proud Kikuyu Woman she/he sure got a lot of publicity. The day she/he secured a date with the Oprah Show she/he knew that was a real clincher. The things people do for attention!

Taabu this 70 year old gosh! Thanks for the link. Let me follow it.

Nairobian Perspective said...

very unsightly, having cravings ...puking ... not for me, im proud to be selfish in this regard!

Shiko-Msa said...

ha ha Nairobian the sight of that picture is disturbing alright! And sometimes the cravings can send one eating funny stuff - like stones.

Shiko-Msa said...

Speaking of cravings, I know someone who craved the smell of industrial chemicals. She'd make a trip all the way to the Mombasa version of Industrial Area and just relax savoring the heavy smell of chemicals in the air. Luckily her baby was born healthy.

Maua said...

20 something yrs ago, this woman used to 'crave' for diesel smell when she was pregnant. Today, the son is studying mechanical engineering. Is there a connection there?

Shiko-Msa said...

Lol Maua. There just might be you never know. Then mothers to be had better head for airports to sniff aviation fuel if they want pilot sons ama?